Don't Talk to Cops, Part 2

Don't Talk to Cops, Part 1

Apathy in the ..camp UK.

In Man's Search for Meaning, in Wikipedia. Viktor Frankl's 1946 book.


Frankl identifies three psychological reactions experienced by all inmates to one degree or another:

(1) shock during the initial admission phase to the camp,
(2) apathy after becoming accustomed to camp existence, in which the inmate values only that which helps himself and his friends survive, and
(3) reactions of depersonalization, moral deformity, bitterness, and disillusionment if he survives and is liberated.


.. 'apathy after becoming accustomed to camp existence, in which the inmate values only that which helps himself and his friends survive,' ..

.. apathy .. in the camp .. UK .. camp existence .. UK existence .. inmate values .. ..'only that which helps himself and his friends survive' ..

.. inmate .. the citizen .. now refered to .. as client .. by Councils .. local government .. driven to value what helps self\family\friends .. to survive ..

.. citizen-client values what renders .. that survival possible .. money .. above all else ..

.. apathy .. engineered within the psyche .. of the client-citizen .. for a reason ..

.. to isolate .. selves .. from one another .. it is a lot easier .. to deal with ..


.. since .. apathy .. leads to .. 'reactions of depersonalization, moral deformity, bitterness, and disillusionment if he survives' ..


even if .. the citizen-client .. survives .. which is not guaranteed ..

.. it would still be .. morally deformed .. bitter .. disillusioned .. citizen-client ..

.. a lazy hunter's dream prey .. it makes governing .. a doddle

Corporations lay claim for the internet? Whose internet lay claim upon?

"Once you allow the state in, you open the door to all sorts of regulation of the internet controls on content creation," he said.

..'allow the state in'.. 'regulation of the internet controls on content creation' .. .. censorship .. allow ..

.. 'said that internet access was now becoming a human right' .. and as a human right .. no-one .. can touch it ..

.. no governments .. no companies .. no corporations .. only human individuals .. exercising their right ..

"Sir Tim Berners-Lee told the BBC that legislation may be needed if self-regulation failed."

regulate to what .. self-regulation aside .. to suit whose standards

let alone fail .. who is going to assess .. failure or success .. Sir Tim Berners-Lee?

.. the internet has surpassed .. gone beyond .. to what was in the mind .. of any of its original creators ..

.. it has reached to a point .. that no-one can claim rights .. neither for pitiful financial rights .. nor .. intellectual rights ..

self-regulation? .. there is no .. self-regulation .. there is only .. self-organization ..

self-regulation .. policing .. is never required .. what will be reinforced .. it is what positive feedback will bring forth ..

and it would be what .. expresses to the hilt .. the needs, wants, aspirations, pursuits .. of human individuals

the human individuals .. are not the reckless beasts .. that need enlightened ... elites .. to tell them what's good for them .. and what's not ..

Middle East geopolitics? Considerations that are in every way irrelevant. Chaos? .. there is no fear out of chaos .. chaos is feared by regimes alone.

Middle East geopolitics? Considerations that are in every way irrelevant ..

peace? .. if anyone can bring peace .. in that region .. it would never be, by .. any Assad .. Hezbollah .. Hamas .. Ayatollahs .. Israeli regime .. but the people themselves ..

Syria's long-term stability .. built upon oppressed people .. rotten foundations ..

in Lebanon ..in Israel .. in Iran .. regimes .. in this warped platform of geopolitical status quo .. it only gives reason .. for them .. to supress their people ..

chaos? .. there is no fear out of chaos .. chaos is feared by regimes alone .. chaos creates abundant alternatives for people to probe and seek out solutions .. solutions that would meet .. to their demands .. and their needs .. alone .. and never .. and not the needs .. of the handful of people .. that make up the regimes

people want to determine their destiny .. by their very own hands .. for their own sake .. alone

Syria protests: 'Armed insurrection won't be tolerated' ...??

Syria protests: 'Armed insurrection won't be tolerated'..

.. and what have they done .. with the up to now .. un-armed insurrection ..

.. killing indiscriminately .. at will .. un-armed protesters ..

.. Syrian regime .. wants the upper-hand ..that arms provide ..

.. fighting ideas .. with arms .. at the hands of army and police ..

.. instead of .. making it possible .. for ideas to fight .. against ideas

.. Syrian regime's answer to Syrian people's demand for change given with armed violence ..

.. Syrian regime asked for it .. there is no other choice .. for opposition .. but to comply

.. everything that went and goes on .. in the protests .. in North Africa and Middle East ..

.. always the oppressor regimes .. answered back with the use of arms ..

.. while at the same .. expecting from protesters .. to fight back ..

.. with empty hands .. and bare chests .. to make an easy target ..

.. for their armies .. to shoot at .. to establish the superiority of their ideas ..

.. above all other ..

Leaders, a lurking danger to humanity. Saif Gaddafi points the way.

.. under a new constitution that would reduce his father's role to a symbolic one, ..


even if .. one accept this statement .. as evidence .. that Gaddafi's role

.. is anything other than symbolic .. as they endlessly .. have insisted upon ..

can Gaddafi be .. even more symbolic ... than .. he already is ..

Saif Gaddafi .. has created .. a bubble .. and within it .. hides .. cowers .. feels secure .. totally isolated ..

one person .. two .. three .. more .. huddle together .. support each other .. feed one another .. back and forth

the feedback .. from one another .. excruciating .. pounds their ears .. their senses ..numbs their minds ..

its walls .. a lense .. that distorts .. warps .. changes its surroundings .. unable to see clear ..

shelling of Misrata .. the city destroyed ..killings of people .. civilian .. rebel ..no difference ..

and all that he sees .. terrorists .. armed militia .. al Qaeda operatives

"Once we get rid of them, everything will be solved." .. what tragedy that statement foresees ..

get rid of them? .. the terrorists .. armed militia ... al Qaeda .. .. like the scum they are .. what is in his mind ..

get rid of them? .. the civilians .. the peaceful people turned rebels .. women and chldren .. scum? .. what most of the world sees ..

their lives .. their cities .. all hanging .. from the images .. in the minds .. of the bubble-inhabitants Saif .. Muammar .. his family ...

that the rest of the world .. should heed .. respect and obey .. the uttering .. of their mouths ..

the delusions .. that .. mind-numbing .. self-imposed isolation .. since born .. has fostered and propagated ..

in Gaddafi .. and his sons .. and all his family

that is the system for you .. the world over .. the god-given leaders .. sent upon earth .. destined to abuse humanity ..

their bubble .. the film so thin .. will eventually burst ..and empty its contents .. all that is .. would be amply revealed .. to Saif .. Muammar ..

is so numbingly insane .. drives one mad .. when people manage to gain, given podium .. channels to communicate .. given a licence and torture the minds of
other people .. whoever hears, sees them .. I would say .. exhilarating .. when finally .. they see what is .. as is ..

China, low per capita income suits and defines its growth rates.

Is China overtaking America?
"Moreover, linear projections of economic growth trends can be misleading. Emerging countries tend to benefit from imported technologies in the early stages of economic takeoff, but their growth rates generally slow as they reach higher levels of development."

.. linear projections of economic growth trends can be misleading .. why use them then .. is the 'misleading' term .. not an incentive enough .. to curb its use .. platforms .. stages .. linear projections .. from stage to stage .. from platform to platform .. an approach if not essential .. at least practical .. but in essence non-linear

what would be the criteria .. to recognise a platform .. and upon it establish .. any projections ..

.. an analysis of the ever-evolving states .. economies along with other factors .. accompanied ..

recognising platforms .. in the past .. and recognizing platforms .. in the future ..

"In 1800, Asia represented more than half of global population and output. By 1900, it represented only 20 per cent of world output – not because something bad happened in Asia, but rather because the Industrial Revolution had transformed Europe and North America into the world's workshop."

In 1800, half .. in 1900 .. 20% .. Asia continued along the same lines ..along the same lines .. from 1800 to 1900 .. growing with the same parameters .. whereas .. Europe and North America entered the stage of Industrial Revolution .. their growth parameters changed .. became more productive .. growing faster .. reducing Asia's share .. of global population and output ..

"But, even if overall Chinese GDP reaches parity with that of the US in the 2020s, the two economies will not be equal in composition."

how can this be explained .. as both economies projections are only linear .. matching each other .. China's growth rate .. running faster than the US .. equal each other .. in what ever terms this equality is taken .. but the non-equality in composition ..is not achieved

composition ..what defines the state .. for both economies .. and therefore .. the platforms .. the stages .. the two countries are .. upon which any future projections of economic growth .. should be based upon ..

chinese government .. have squeezed every ounce .. that the chinese people had to offer .. without putting back at all .. or very little .. for the people to grow

China can not continue .. with the same parameters .. for ever .. it has to change its parameters .. to create the next stage .. the platform upon which .. any future projections should be based upon .. it has to emulate US in that matter .. one reason China sustains such high growth rates .. it is because of cheap labour .. the low per capita income .. hence the need for having an oppressive regime .. and constantly living under the fear of people revolting against the communist party .. such a state of affairs is unsustainable

.. from the other point it raises doubts .. as to the quality of the growth .. China is endowed with .. whether .. such high rates of growth .. can be sustained after a government or people induced, rise of the per capita income .. as any such rise would have an effect .. on the competitiveness of China's products ..

can China afford .. a rise in per capita income .. the higher spending for military purposes .. along with what is allocated for security indicates that is not .. security because of fear of uprisings .. a result of ruling party continuing to favour a policy of low incomes ..


"Unlike India, which was born with a democratic constitution, China has not yet found a way to channel the demands for political participation (if not democracy) that tend to accompany rising per capita income."

World Bank foresees Middle East North Africa autocrats demise and prepares to embrace the new states emerging. Setting up traps.

"Our message to our clients, whatever their political system, is that you cannot have successful development without good governance and without the participation of your citizens," Zoellick told a gathering at the Peterson Institute."

World Bank chief: Citizens need voice in Arab world


clients? .. whatever political system? .. not whatever political system ..

... World Bank does its business .. with the autocrats .. they are its only clients ..

.. sneaky .. if not shifty .. Mr Robert Zoellick .. World Bank President ..

..foresees the demise of the Middle East North Africa autocrats ..

..people's movement is something to be reckoned with .. can not be ignored ..

.. ready to do business .. paves the way .. with the new 'clients' emerging

.. setting up the trap .. quite early .. they are in for a surprise

Capitalism ..is un-natural. Banks, financials owe their existence to.

.. because it would force them to raise and retain more capital (which is expensive), ..

"The big banks will claim that putting their retail banks into subsidiaries would impose significant extra costs on them - because it would force them to raise and retain more capital (which is expensive), and it would increase what they pay to borrow. Their fear is that these incremental costs would put them at a disadvantage compared with their international competitors."

"Perhaps more importantly, the Commission is convinced that the social benefits of the reform - in respect of reducing the likelihood of destabilizing financial shocks that increase unemployment and cut growth - would significantly outweigh the costs."

cut growth? .. do they actually hint .. on real growth .. growth that matters .. not paper-growth .. that banks and financials .. create by the tonne .. only to siphon it .. directly .. via bonuses .. into their pockets

"The Commission has also taken steps to reassure the government that it doesn't have a great deal to fear from getting tough with the banks and implementing the change: on its analysis, even if big banks such as HSBC or Barclay's were to move their respective head offices abroad in protest at the reforms, the loss of tax revenue and the damage to the success of the City of London would be limited."

.. the loss of tax revenue? .. would be limited? .. what does that mean? .. that they hardly pay anything .. to really matter

.. to reassure the government .. their ignorance apparent .. no better .. than the general public .. act and react ..under panic ..

.. a great deal to fear .. could it be .. any more vague .. revealing what they actually are .. a bunch of scardy cats ..

"The interim report says: "The Commission's view is that the reforms of the kind contemplated...would support the competitiveness of the economy and would be likely to have a broadly neutral effect on financial services."

.. broadly neutral effect on financial services .. banks ..coming out ..unscathed .. nothing loosing .. nothing lost ..

"Perhaps because of that, some will claim that the Commission has been too timid - in that it has rejected more radical alternatives, such as breaking up the banks, imposing formal limits on their size, prohibiting them from using depositors' cash to make loans, or massively narrowing the range of their permitted activities."

.. has been too timid? ..

.. prohibiting them from using depositors' cash to make loans, ..

.. or massively narrowing the range of their permitted activities.

.. reading between the lines .. gambling it profusely .. betting it .. playing craps with it ..

"The thinking behind the ring-fencing recommendation is that if the wholesale or investment banking arm of a universal bank were to go bad, the retail operation - which looks after our savings, lends to business and moves money around - would not be tainted."

not be tainted?.. how magnanimous .. they are .. to allow .. a modicum a activity .. that actually benefits people .. their concerns are heart-wrenching ..

though .. it is already tainted .. to the hilt .. banks .. determined for huge profits .. solely for the ingratiation .. of their CEOs .. why would they ever .. be interested .. to protect savings .. lend to business .. move money around .. actually interested .. about growth ..

what moves them .. what kicks them around .. the highest returns for their capital ..ever possible ..

"These banks' balance sheets are five times the size of the British economy."

and you do not get .. high returns .. by protecting savings .. lending to businesses .. moving people's money around ..

the very system itself .. prohibits them .. for doing so .. the capitalist system .. the premises .. upon which it is built-on ..proscribes and drives their actions ..

.. in an environment which they have fostered .. where the laws of the jungle .. take precedent .. competitiveness .. fierce .. with no bounds .. all in the service of a vile cum deranged worthy cause .. accumulating wealth .. to an ever narrower segment of societies ..

and in the process .. eliminating .. exterminating .. the very individuals .. by which societies are sustained

a mentality so profusely embedded .. in the way capitalist system .. is handling debts .. at all levels .. from sovereign countries debts .. to small claims from single individuals .. ruthless destruction of debtor .. bringing them to their knees .. unable to sustain and grow .. cutting all lifelines available ..

though repeatedly .. it has been revealed .. that nature itself .. doesn't behave as such .. that there is an economy .. that evades bankers thinking .. seeped deep into assumed predator-prey relationships .. though the predator .. would not kill .. all the prey .. at its sight .. in mind to conserve .. energy .. its limits finite, the constraints imposed by its very own structure .. a deterrent .. in killing every prey .. its eating capacity .. limited as well ..

the environment .. fostered by banks .. capitalism itself .. does away .. with these limitations, the constraints referred to in John H. Holland's .. emergence, from chaos to order .. nature provides itself .. all in the mind .. of creating a sustainable environment

banks financials .. have created an unsustainable environment .. for individuals to grow in ..

competition has its limits .. capitalism .. its premises .. upon which ..it has been built on .. is un-natural .. what banks ..financials ..owe their existence to ..

Egyptian army. Armies. Power given to them. People gave them that power. They act on behalf of the people. Never beyond that.

9 April 2011 Last updated at 15:33
Egypt: Army crackdown in Cairo's Tahrir Square.

"The armed forces stress that they will not tolerate any acts of rioting or any act that harms the interest of the country and the people," it said."


.. who has the moral standing .. to utter such words .. the one that power was given to .. or the one that gave that power to ..

Field Marshal Tantawi .. Supreme Military Council .. Egyptian army .. was given the power .. the people of Egypt .. gave the power .. they are the ones .. that have the moral standing to utter such words .. and not the ones .. they gave them the power to ..

no general .. no army .. can tell .. the people .. anything .. they act on their behalf .. and upon that behalf .. they should act accordingly .. never beyond that ..


"The military issued a statement blaming "outlaws" for rioting and violating a curfew but said no-one was hurt."

.. "outlaws"? .. spare the people of Egypt .. the Gaddafi-style rhetoric .. has been pounding the ears of people .. on-and-on .. to hide behind it ulterior motives ..

Egypt. Military personnel asserting themselves.

Protests against Egypt's military council continue

By the CNN Wire StaffApril 9, 2011 -- Updated 1330 GMT (2130 HKT)


"On Friday, some soldiers joined the protests in a direct challenge to Egypt's military rulers. For long intervals, they took to one of the stages erected in the crowded square and called for the country's military rulers to be replaced."

"Earlier this week, several military officers took to the internet, recording video statements accusing the chairman of the ruling council, Field Marshal Mohammed Tantawi, of protecting Mubarak from prosecution and of leading a counterrevolutionary movement."



.. now you are talking .. it is a disgrace .. a slap in the face of the human individual .. armies, police .. at the hands .. at the mercy .. of abusers of power .. given to them by people .. and what do they do .. they use them against the people ..

the most inane drawback ... humanity suffers from ..

military personnel aserting themselves .. identifying with their roots .. their personality traits prevailing in the execution of orders .. not a robotic 'arm' .. to do as their commanding officers dictate .. 'blind' instruments of war .. a trend that started .. in America itself .. if I am not mistaken ..

Not the BBC news, no BBC house rules commenting.

Comments and making our coverage more social

"91. At 14:31pm on 18th Mar 2011, wvpTV wrote:
While the editor may make good selections for the promoted views (editors picks), how do we take care of potential bias from an editor with weighted ideas?

Historically we've seen content removed, most of it rightly, but just some, that met all the rules, was subject to wrongful personal bias and removed."

.. keep pounding on them .. the BBC .. does not belong to any government .. it belongs to people .. and should act so .. people pay tv licence .. they own BBC .. not Cameron .. or anybody else .. to do as they like ..

.. long ago .. there was a program named .. not the nine o' clock news .. it is high time .. for a website to be named .. not the BBC news .. where readers .. could convey their thoughts .. for all the news articles .. BBC brings forth .. without any BBC house rules .. but only the rules commenters agree upon ..



http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2011/03/comments_and_making_our_covera.html

BBC, other mass media. Why would you not welcome comments from readers at the bottom of your articles.

BBC .. other mass media ..

.. why would you not .. welcome comments from readers .. at the bottom of your articles ..

.. what you are afraid of .. messing up with the messages .. that you want to convey .. indulging in a stupor .. that all is, as what you report ..

... there are no alternative views .. that worth the reader's attention .. sanitizing the environment .. sterilising it .. ending up with a sickening view .. that barely touches ... what goes on in people's mind ..

.. the reader always the recipient .. but never the contributor .. a passive element in the structure of societies


.. and if to be always under control .. should never .. spoil the taste .. of the soup served ..

.. and to the point .. how can she/he be? .. a contributor .. by what means? .. he/she has none ..

.. verging .. if not surpassing .. the doctrines .. elites .. proliferate and propagate .. that ignorant lot .. they deserve to be there .. they can do nothing else ..

Talking therapies? Government at its best, to combat the 'cancer' of money with what amounts to aspirins.

"The rise has happened at a time when the government has been increasing access to talking therapies, which should in theory curb the demand for anti-depressants."

BBC News - Money woes 'linked to rise in depression'


talking therapies? .. what a nosense .. government .. does its best .. to combat the 'cancer' of money .. with ..what amounts to aspirins ..

not even aspirins

people .. are .. so .. so .. so ..thankful .. that government .. has consented to increase access .. to so much needed .. therapies


and in the meantime .. gives unprecedent liberties .. to bailifs, sheriffs .. to recover assumed debts by Councils, factors .. name it

government .. hot in the heels .. of all its citizens .. to recover mountains of lost funds .. banks woes left behind ..

.. assisted with a fines galore .. fine culture at its best .. by all the state's operatives .. traffic wardens, traffic police .. a hoard of hard-working agents ..

.. out to get the revenues .. Councils, government .. requires .. to balance .. what it can not be balanced ..

.. the spending cuts .. the scrapping of people's jobs .. are not enough ..

a debt collecting boom .. public and private .. growth unprecented .. all aimed .. at making money .. out of the misery .. of individuals ..

.. make their hapless victims-citizens .. pay dearly

as whatever they owe (is owed) .. is not enough .. to create .. profits and revenues ..

inventing additional charges .. to make even harder to pay back what is owed

assisted by a legislation .. demanding fees .. for even filing an application for bankcruptcy .. you need to pay .. to get bankcrupt

charges that amount .. to a sizable fraction .. to what is owed .. increasing the debt burden .. shoving one deeper ..into debt ..

debt lawyers, firms and all the mob involved .. the saviours .. turned executioners .. to finish the job .. for good ..

to squeeze every penny

the money given ..so generously to the banks .. to bail them out .. need to be recovered .. to the last penny ..

talking therapies .. what provide a sanctuary .. from the deluge that money has created .. massive bailouts to banks .. generous as it can ever be ..

individuals it's absurd to think .. that government can ever be .. as generous to its citizens as they were .. to the banks

the debts that governments went into .. to protect its precious banks .. its imperative to be paid .. by what ever means possible .. by its delinquent citizens

.. the folly .. to consider .. to be treated with the same standards .. that governments used .. to tackle .. banks' debts ..

New ground gained. Tunisia Egypt Libya, a step further, nearer to the goal humanity has set forth.

.. new ground gained .. Tunisia Egypt Libya .. a step further .. nearer to the goal .. humanity .. has set forth ..

to eradicate .. the trivialisation .. of the lives of human individuals ..

there is no going back .. whatever has been pushed aside .. is already in the scrap-heap of human history .. and can never be recovered .. brought back .. to pester the human individuals